Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: This show is not a substitute for professional counseling and no relationship is created between the show host or guests and any listener. If you feel you are in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, we encourage you to contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective counties crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emerg.
[00:00:41] Speaker B: It's six o' clock and time again for Brain Matters, the official radio show of the UA Counseling Center. We are broadcasting from the campus of the University of Alabama. Good evening. My name is Dr. B.J. guenther. I'm the host of the show along with my colleague and producer, Kathryn Howland. In case you don't know, this show is about mental and physical health issues that affect college students and in particular UA students. So you can listen to us each Tuesday night at 6pm on 90.7 FM or you can listen online at WVUAFM UA. Edu. You can also download I like the MyTuner radio app and just type in WVUAFM 90.7. Don't forget I think this is our third show for the spring semester. We don't record shows in the summer, we just do fall and spring. So if you have any ideas for upcoming show topics, email those to me@brain mattersradiovuafm.
And of course I'll consider using your show topic. I've got probably half of this semester already scheduled out and I've got some other emails sent out to invites for guests. But if you have any topics that you think we haven't covered or maybe, maybe we have covered, we've been doing this show since 2013, so it would be a great idea to revisit some topics that we need to talk about more often. And I always say this like I feel like there's always trends in college mental health that change over the years, over the semesters, and even with something like depression or anxiety, stress, anxiety, test anxiety, there's always trends that fall along with those topics sometimes. And so we need to revisit those.
Tonight is not one of those topics. I've never done this show before and I actually attended a conference back in November where someone presented in the session about this. Just the whole session wasn't on this, but we touched on a little bit and it really sparked my interest. And I thought, well, I'm gonna do some research and I'm gonna find Somebody to talk about this who's an expert? I think I have. And the topic that I'm talking about is chromotherapy. I think that's how you pronounce it. That's how I'm gonna pronounce it. Chromotherapy. It's color therapy.
And I'm excited to welcome an expert, like I said, in this fascinating field. My guest is Denise Turner, an internationally recognized color therapist who specializes in color psychology and therapy. She's the CO Color Turners, a firm that helps businesses and manufacturers use color more intentionally for better decision making and marketing. And she's also certified interior designer and has been featured in numerous media outlets. I'm so excited Denise is here. Thank you, Denise, for being on the show.
[00:03:28] Speaker C: Thank you, BJ and thank you to the audience for being open to this one, because this is, you know, it might be a little off the. Off the cuff, but you know what, it's going to be interesting because we're looking for all different types of avenues to support our mental health, you know, professionals. So, yeah, so that's. I'm. I'm thrilled to be here. So thank you.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: This is fascinating to me. Like I said during the session that I went to, we just touched on it just a little bit. I never. It was one of those things that I was like, wow, I never really thought about color affecting the brain, but I knew it. I can't explain it. I knew that color does affect the brain. You know, I have read a little bit of research about nurseries, you know, colors for babies, for.
[00:04:15] Speaker C: And.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: But I just didn't put together that, wow, this is a whole field that I don't think most people have thought of. Before we get into it, I want you to talk about yourself a little bit more. I gave you an introduction, but tell the listeners a little bit more about yourself, your credentials, why you got interested in this topic.
[00:04:35] Speaker C: Right. I am a certified interior designer and a product designer, and I. I specialize in the whole holistic aspect of color. And what really triggered this was when I was. I went to UCLA School of Interior Design, and like you, bj, they were talking about, okay, we have a little bit of this, a little bit of that with color. But it's like there was a. There was a misconnect, a disconnect when it came to the color psychology and the color physiology.
And I started doing some deep dives, and then I ended up in, believe it or not, I was in a.
An act, in a group with a bunch of acupuncturists. And other types of healers where it came, and they were all using an ayurvedic medicine and massage therapists, and they were all using color therapy. And I said, well, why, you know, here I'm the one who's, like, trained in color as a professional designer.
Why am I the only one in here not wearing a white lab coat?
Right. Yeah. And why? Okay. I'm here for a reason. And to be honest with you, I don't know how I ended up in that class. I really don't. But that's when I went, I need to share this with people. So I started teaching this to interior designers. And. And then when I was doing product design, I incorporated those same philosophies in there, because how we.
How we work, you know, and play in environments with. With paint and.
And, you know, different textiles, it all affects us.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:06:15] Speaker C: And so. So that was always. That was always important to me. And then. But I. But I. I was just kind of running that kind of tandem with the health kind of over, over the over the kind of overshadowing all of that. But it wasn't until Covid hit, I was like, oh, okay, well, I can't go anywhere. I'm not. I'm not speaking at, you know, conferences. And so what do I do? So, you know, I just. I did a deep dive into the, you know, the healing arts and started taking classes. And that's where I put it all together. And that's where I realized this is so important, you know, to put the right colors in people's environments and where people. To wear the right colors on their bodies. Because color, I mean, just color itself, you know, we might look at it. It's like, okay, well, it's just kind of a fluffy thing. It's really not. Because the colors that are in our environment affect us, you know, from every different level all the way down to the cellular level.
And it's just. It's a. It's really a fascinating subject.
[00:07:22] Speaker B: Well, what about for people who are listening? Did I pronounce it right? Chromotherapy, Is that.
[00:07:28] Speaker C: Yeah, chromotherapy or color therapy. It's like tomato, tomato. It's the same thing.
[00:07:33] Speaker B: And ex. You just explained it from an interior designer standpoint. But if somebody's just tuning in, how do you tell what it is in simple terms?
[00:07:42] Speaker C: Okay, I'm just. I'm going to read it because I made. I tried to make it as simple as possible because it's, you know, it's kind of a Big, A big, big thing. Okay.
It is, it is a lot to it. So. Okay, so each color in the visible light spectrum. Okay, the visible light spectrum are the colors we see in the rainbow. Huh.
They all carry their own energy vibration, so they all vibrate to a different frequency.
Okay.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:08:09] Speaker C: And so. And they all align to the seven primary energy centers of the body, which we'll call the, you know, they're called chakras or energy centers. Okay. And each one of those energy centers correspond to organs, the blood, the brain, every. Every little nook and cranny of the body.
And so by aligning ourselves with those specific colors when there's a disruption, then. Then we can balance out the body and bring them back into, you know, home Neo stasis. So it works. It, it really, it works pretty well. It, it's, it really is quite magical.
[00:08:51] Speaker B: You know, it sounds so simple. And I think people. And I wrote this down while you were talking. I think people are cynical about it. What do you say to people who are cynical and like, kind of, you know, are slow to accept this? There's got to be research on it.
[00:09:09] Speaker C: Oh, there's tons of research.
[00:09:11] Speaker B: There's tons of research.
[00:09:11] Speaker C: There's tons of research on it.
Give it a try.
Give it a try. I think, I think because color is around us everywhere, we just kind of go. Oh, we just kind of take it for granted.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Take it for granted.
[00:09:23] Speaker C: Right, Right.
But we've all been around people who've just gone off, just who've been like super agitated was probably because they're wearing the wrong color. Okay. You know, they might, they might. Instead of wearing that bright red, they should probably be wearing more of a cooler, cooler colors to calm them down. Right?
[00:09:43] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:09:44] Speaker C: And, and sometimes we don't have a lot of time when someone has a meltdown.
And, and, but, but for the most part, people have a tendency to either be like super, super, you know, anxious or stressed or, or they, they tend to be more calm. So, you know, we can use colors to kind of balance that out, you know.
[00:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:11] Speaker C: That type of thing. Yeah.
[00:10:12] Speaker B: Did you have for you personally was there like an aha moment for you when you, you know, realize that this practice really works? And can you give an example of that of with like, okay, here, I'll.
[00:10:26] Speaker C: You know what, I'll just, I'll just use a color, for example.
[00:10:28] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:10:29] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. This would have happened several years ago when I, I had, I had a good. Basics of how this whole thing went together.
So I was brought in by a woman who Wanted to redo her. Her master bedroom suite for her. Her. I think it was coming up with, like a. Some kind of holiday. I think it was her wedding anniversary or something like that. And during this process, she kept talking about redoing her son's bedroom. And he was a teenager, I think probably a junior high, junior or senior in high school. And she said within a short period of time that this child was perfectly healthy. He was an athlete. He went from like super vivacious to all of a sudden was just kind of melting and melting and melting. But then she also mentioned that she did his bedroom or he did his bedroom.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[00:11:20] Speaker C: Okay. So I said, can I please look at this? I mean, this is coming from a mom's perspective. It's. I, There's. I. I need to know what's going on over here. I don't really. I mean, your, Your room don't even, don't even pay me for this part. This is important. Black.
You bet.
[00:11:36] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. I guessed it.
[00:11:38] Speaker C: Yeah, it was a cave. It was a crazy cave. It was a cave. So not only was it black, his bedding was black.
And then he had a mirror that was reflecting all this black.
And there was no light coming in through the windows because I was all black.
And so.
And then he had all these pla. These, like, these IKEA cabinets that were all black. Every. There was no. No color in there. No color. And I went, okay, this is a problem. So the. During the time period while I was in there walking around, okay, we got a problem here. Okay? And so I asked the mom, you know, you know, she had any health challenges or anything like that? Oh, yeah. He's been going to the hospital for grand mal seizures.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: And this.
[00:12:23] Speaker C: This came out of nowhere.
So keep in mind the color black absorbs all color frequency. It absorbs all light. Okay.
And so, And I, And I, I. I kind of like. I kind of like the quirky teenagers. Anyway, so he came in and he's dressed all in black. He's all in leather.
So we had. We had a little bit of a talk. You know, it's like, okay, can we add a little bit of color to this? And with them and brought some more colors in. And we have the LA Lakers here. Okay. So I said purple and gold. So I. Okay, I can. Okay, I can pull that off. Pull that off.
[00:13:03] Speaker B: Loved it.
[00:13:04] Speaker C: Loved it. So we mitigated that. Those black walls left the, you know, left the. The black cabinetry.
And then he started, you know, little bit by little bit, started changing his Wardrobe and adding a little bit more color, I think. I don't think the kids were allowed to wear those types of sports colors at school. I think it was like. Yeah, but. But he was starting. He was doing that at home, so he brought a lot of light in. So shortly after that, after he started changing his. His personal body and his room, he stopped having the Grand Mall seizures.
Now, I mean, you can call it a coincidence. I mean, I'm not taking credit for anything. I believe there was some divine intervention there. Something. And. But that little guy turned around.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: He was just. That was your aha moment.
[00:13:56] Speaker C: That was my. It was. It. It really was. And so, yeah, black. Black is. Is. Is a great color, but we use it sparingly.
[00:14:03] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. You know, it's like a contrast color, isn't it? More like a contrast. It is.
[00:14:08] Speaker C: It is. It's a. It's a good grounding color for some areas. Yes.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: We're gonna take a break. Denise, when we come back, I've got a couple of email questions if you'll mind taking those.
[00:14:18] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:14:20] Speaker B: We'll be right back. You're listening to brain matters on 19.7 the capstone.
[00:14:35] Speaker C: WVUAFM Tuscaloosa.
[00:14:38] Speaker A: This show is not a substitute for professional counseling and no relationship is created between the show host or guests and any listener. If you feel you are in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, we encourage you to contact. Contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective counties crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Hey, you're back listening to brain matters on 90.7 the Capstone. I'm BJ Guenther and our show topic tonight is chromotherapy. In case you don't know what that is or never heard of that, it is color therapy. It is fascinating. This is a fascinating field. And my guest is Denise Turner. Denise is an expert in this field, internationally recognized color therapist who specializes in color psychology therapy. But she's certified interior designer and just told a story about going into a home when she had her realization about how important color is in mental health. To be honest, I want to take Denise. I want to. And before I forget, if you. If you're listening and you have a topic that you think we need to cover for our show, for upcoming shows, email those topic ideas to me@brain mattersradiovuafm ua edu. And of course, I'll consider using your show topic. Before I forget, I want to read. We've got an email question, and it's an interesting one if you'll just be spontaneous. What colors would. What colors would be helpful for students to add to their dorm rooms to feel more relaxed and less anxious?
[00:16:30] Speaker C: Oh, that's good.
I would, I would look in the blues and the greens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because those are. Those are. Those are healing colors. And they'll calm you right down.
Right.
[00:16:43] Speaker B: I call our dorms the capstone correctional facilities.
Probably gonna get fire.
[00:16:52] Speaker C: And they're.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: They're newer, but they're gray. Gray, yes.
[00:16:56] Speaker C: The interiors are great. What?
[00:16:58] Speaker B: Walking down the hall, I think the. I think the wall colors are gray. Catherine, help me out here.
They are. I can't remember what color the carpeting.
[00:17:07] Speaker C: Is.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: But look, I sh. I stopped shopping at a very well known clothing store. I'll say it like that, because they went from cool clothes to basically three colors. Black, gray, and white. And I'm like, no, that's just, you know, some people, that's good for them. But for me personally, I'm a color person.
[00:17:31] Speaker C: Right, right, right. Can I, Can I switch over there and talk about when it comes to color trends? Yeah. Okay. Because. Because I'm a color and trend forecaster too, so. Color trends are based off of wars. Election. The economy took a number when it came to color trends. I mean, if we were just. We were just. Before COVID we were coming out of that whole gray mode.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:55] Speaker C: And then now we went back into it because first of all, people, People don't know what's coming next. So they're, they just. So they're sticking with those, you know, non neutral, neutral, neutral. I, I'm okay with neutral colors if they have a little bit of warmth to them or they, or there's. Or a little bit of a green base. Something that just some more life to it other than just gray.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: I know, I know.
[00:18:23] Speaker C: Y.
[00:18:24] Speaker B: Call it. Well, we have.
When I built my house, the popular color for all the walls was what we call Tuscaloosa taupe. Catherine, can you back me up on that? It's a Tuscaloosa taupe.
[00:18:40] Speaker C: It's actually a cute name.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: It's trendy, it's catchy. What's the basic idea behind how colors affect the mind and the body?
[00:18:51] Speaker C: It's. It's how. It's how the colors. It's. It's how the colors, you know, when they, when they touch our body or when we walk within the body. Okay. We have. Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna take it to the next level. Okay. So we have what's called an energetic body around us. So it's. It runs like three to five feet out. So when we. Even if we're not touching a wall with the paint color, we are still influenced by that. We could. We could turn the lights out, and you would still feel the frequency from that color. Oh, okay. Okay. So. So here's. Here's what I. What I do when I'm doing workshops. I will have hand out a bunch of red paint chips and a bunch of blue paint chips, and then I will. I will have people team up, and they will be able. Someone will hold. Like, if you were working with me, I would hold the paint chips for. And they would be face down, and then you would feel them to see if it's warm or cool your body. You. Nine times out of ten, people can do that, and they're. They don't even have to be healers or any type of.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: And what does the warm and cool mean? Like, what does that mean?
[00:20:03] Speaker C: Well, the red is. Red is a warm color because it's a very stimulating color. And then blue is a cool color. Okay, yeah, Right, right, right.
Yeah. So all of them on, you know, on half the color wheel that are in the. In the blues and the greens and the violets, those are all your cool colors. So.
[00:20:19] Speaker B: Okay, so this trend now, and I call it a trend because it feels like everything's a trend. The red light therapy, you hear, wonderful.
[00:20:28] Speaker C: It's good stuff. It's really good.
[00:20:31] Speaker B: And, like, you know, you can order these masks that have the different lights. I don't understand all that. Red light, green light, blue light. What is. What is that?
[00:20:41] Speaker C: Okay, yeah, it has.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: It.
[00:20:43] Speaker C: It has the frequency. They use the red near infrared light, and it works on the frequency to work on cellular repair. You know, they'll use it in the beauty industry, and they'll use it when people have inflammation or, you know, just body parts that are broken. And it.
[00:21:03] Speaker B: Does it help with sleep?
[00:21:06] Speaker C: Part. Part of what the problem is with sleep is that we're using our technology, the blue light off of our screens all day long.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: That's why I ask.
[00:21:14] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It' little different. It's a little different.
So that's where, you know, we need to get outside in nature or use, you know, more blue light. You know, do more of the blue light type things in the morning. So we can bring that in. So we can. Because because blue light will block the melatonin. Like in the morning.
[00:21:34] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:21:35] Speaker C: You know, we. We need to be up and moving, Right?
[00:21:37] Speaker B: Yes. But.
[00:21:38] Speaker C: But. But at night now, we've already.
Our melatonin's not working now. Yes.
For us to go to sleep.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: What about. Is. Is color therapy? Is it more rooted in psychology or energy work? Like Rocky. Rocky. I have a friend who.
[00:21:55] Speaker C: Reiki, Reiki.
[00:21:56] Speaker B: Reiki who does Reiki.
[00:21:58] Speaker C: Right.
[00:21:58] Speaker B: Or both.
[00:21:59] Speaker C: It's all. It's all of it. It's even. It's even goes down to your primal stuff, okay? So I'll give you an example of that one. Okay? This is. This is. This is one where. Okay, here. You'll probably get an aha moment out of this one. Okay? So yellow, okay? Let's just think of yellow, okay? Yellow and black, okay? Mother Nature, okay? She's. She's the master colorist of all.
She created her most venomous creatures, or some of her most venomous creatures where it comes, okay? Like bumblebees, wasps, certain reptiles are in that black and yellow combo, okay? Those are our warning to stay away. Right? We know that it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter where we were born. It doesn't matter our background, anything. We just know intuitively, instinctively that that's. That's. That's a caution.
So when it comes to those colors, you know, we use those same colors for school buses because we want people to slow down, okay?
Street warning signs. Those are yellow and black.
Caution, right?
It's OSHA yellow.
So those are all the colors that. That make us slow down. Okay? We know it's caution. No one needs to tell you it's caution. You could be in any country in the world and have those signs up. We might not be able to read the words, but we know that's caution. Yeah.
[00:23:28] Speaker B: That'S interesting. How about, how do you know?
Okay, this may be a very deep question. We may not answer this tonight.
How do you know. Know what your favorite color is? Like, why do people have favorite colors? What is your favorite color, Denise?
[00:23:46] Speaker C: You know what? I really don't have one. It sounds kind of crazy because I.
Yep.
I do. I do. I love them all. It's. It's like I. I love them all for their own. Their own specialty.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:23:59] Speaker C: Purpose. But I don't really have one. I. I do. I gravitate more towards the jewel tones more. The brighter colors.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: Why do you think people do have a favorite color?
[00:24:10] Speaker C: You're gonna love this one from yourself.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Putting you on the spot.
[00:24:13] Speaker C: Oh, no. You got it, girl. I got it. Okay, so what happens is the favorite color, it's triggered to an emotional response.
[00:24:21] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:24:22] Speaker C: Okay.
So here's what I do is when I'm doing a workshop, I'll hand out, like, paint fan decks. Okay. We have in the average paint fan deck, Sherwin Williams, Benjamin Moore. Yeah. Like 1500 colors. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I'll ask them. Okay, show me your favorite color, and show me your least favorite color. They go right to it.
And I go, but if I. If I have. If I had time, I would ask them, what is your least. Why is that your least favorite color? They can tell me. They can track it right back to a dress that they wore or a room that they were in where something, you know, as a.
Yeah, it was. It was not a good. It was not a good scenario. And these are just innocent paint chips. And they just go, oh, yep, yep.
[00:25:10] Speaker B: Before we go to break. Okay, I'm gonna put you on the spot again as an interior designer.
Have you ever had a room painted for a client and they didn't like it?
And how did they react?
[00:25:27] Speaker C: A lot of times it's not that they didn't like it, because a lot of times people don't like change.
Okay. So we've all. We've all looked at. We. That's. It's. It's more that. As I live with it for a little bit. Okay. Live with it. Because they don't. They're not just. I'm not going to just walk them into it and say, okay, we're going to do this and this and this. You know, with all the different fabrics on the paints, they really have a good idea of what it's going to look like. But now all of a sudden, their safety zone is different. Yeah, it's on. If they wanted to go this direction, it's like, okay, let's live with it. I've never had to repaint a house.
No. Just give them a little bit of time. Yeah.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: Never had to adjust.
[00:26:11] Speaker C: Yeah, you have to adjust. But they want. They want the change.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: That's why.
[00:26:14] Speaker C: That's why they bring a designer in.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: Isn't that interesting?
[00:26:17] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: Let's take another. Another break. And then. And then when we come back, I want to piggyback on the favorite colors. I've got a question about that. And also we've got another email question, so come right back. You're listening to brain matters on 90.7, the capstone.
[00:26:43] Speaker C: Wvuafm Tuscaloosa.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: This show is not a substitute for professional Counseling, and no relationship is created between the show hosts or guests and any listeners. If you feel you are in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, we encourage you to contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective counties crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Hey, you're back listening to brain matters on 90.7, the capstone. I'm BJ Guenther, and we're talking tonight with Denise Turner, who is a specialist and expert in the topic that we're talking about, which is chromotherapy or color therapy. This is just fascinating to me. I feel like everybody needs to be assessed for this. I don't know how that would happen. Is there an assessment for this.
[00:27:52] Speaker C: To.
[00:27:52] Speaker B: Know what works best for you? I remember there was a trend of makeup back in, like the 80s and 90s. If you're a warmer, you're a cool. Do you remember that?
[00:28:01] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. I had that done. Absolutely.
[00:28:05] Speaker B: Remember what mine was. But anyhoo, is there a test, though, so that you would know what colors work best for you? And the question I had about the favorite colors, you know, is chromotherapy different from simply just having a favorite color?
[00:28:25] Speaker C: It is, because it's, it's. Chromotherapy is more of a intentional healing modality.
[00:28:30] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:28:31] Speaker C: It's. It's using color as a healing modality. A favorite color can be something that just makes them feel good.
Yeah, that's, that's really, that's really what it. And then, and then here's what I do, too, is when I, when I have the people, they, they pick their favorite and their least favorite color. I'll muscle test them. I'll do can physiology. And I go, okay, now look at your favorite color. And they're always strong. Okay, they're always strong. And then it's, okay, now look at your least favorite color. And they always go weak.
So that's why you don't want to put colors that you don't like or objects in your space that you don't like because they literally lower your energy. And right now, more than ever, we need to keep our energy levels high.
[00:29:19] Speaker B: So there's not really a definitive test, I guess, where people can, like, like if you're moving into a new office space, for instance, which we will be in at the end of this year, hopefully here at the Counseling center.
You know, how would I know what. What would energize me? I'll say it like that. I know what my favorite color is. But based on what you just answered, that doesn't really matter necessarily.
[00:29:46] Speaker C: It doesn't because. Because you. Do you want to be energized for eight hours a day or.
Yeah, right.
[00:29:52] Speaker B: So.
[00:29:52] Speaker C: So we need a balance. We need a balance of both. Okay.
[00:29:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:56] Speaker C: So that's where some neutrals, like the neutrals in the background, like, I like. The color you have behind you is really good. It's kind of a warm yellow. Yeah. Oh, that's fun. That's great.
[00:30:06] Speaker B: You know who that is? You would know who that.
[00:30:08] Speaker C: It looks like. It looks like Andy Warhol.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: It's Ann Bancroft.
[00:30:12] Speaker C: No way.
[00:30:12] Speaker B: Yes. See? You know who she is? My students have no idea, but I tell them to go and watch the Graduate. Mrs. Robinson. That's who that is.
[00:30:20] Speaker C: Oh, okay. Okay.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: We just went down a rabbit hole.
[00:30:25] Speaker C: Yeah, we did. Where do we go? How do we get out?
Who am I? Yeah, who are you?
Oh, yeah.
What? The colors. The colors for you. How to figure out what they. What works for you to, you know, this would be a fun way to do it is to go to the paint store. I mean, a lot of people have never been to the paint store. Those paint chips are free.
Yes. Yeah, I know. I love it. I love it. I know. I'm just a super geek when it comes to paint chips. So you can go to the paint store and just grabbed a bunch of different paint chips. Okay. And then you can just kind of hold on to them and go, okay, well, I like this.
Yeah. You know, look at that. And then, well, I really like this color.
You know, whatever. You know, I might want to look for clothing in this, too.
You know, I might want to do that.
And then also when it comes to those. The color palettes, I mean, some of us professional colorists, we. We create those color palettes.
So when you go into Sherwin Williams, you know, you're trying to figure out how to. How to put those colors together.
[00:31:29] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:31:30] Speaker C: Pick up those brochures because it tells you. You know, it shows you exactly what colors work well together, what complements each other, what complements. Right. So we'll show you the, you know, the trims, the, you know, the. The, you know, the base and all the other. All the other areas that go in, you know, the different elements are usually like three or four color. Color combos. Yeah.
[00:31:51] Speaker B: I think you just. The email question I'm looking at right Now, I think you just really answered that. We just covered this. What colors would be helpful for therapists to add to their therapy spaces to create a welcome, comfortable, and warm atmosphere? So.
[00:32:06] Speaker C: Right. For me, I would. I think green. Green is the easiest. I mean, here, let me. I'm gonna just.
[00:32:12] Speaker B: My favorite.
[00:32:13] Speaker C: Yeah, it's green. It's green. It's nature.
In fact, let's see here. Bear with me.
[00:32:22] Speaker B: What are. While you're looking that up, Denise, another email question. I'm just looking at what are some simple ways college students can start using chromotherapy to positively impact their mood?
That's a good question.
[00:32:36] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. Do you want to jump over to the different colors and how we use them?
[00:32:41] Speaker B: Yeah, let's do that.
[00:32:42] Speaker C: We can do that. We can do that. Let me. Let me get the information on the. On the green.
There's so much. I mean, green. Green is really.
It's such an equalizer.
Okay, here we go. Okay, I'm gonna. I'm just gonna throw this out there. Okay.
In general, you know, people are stressed out, and then making green a great equalizer, you know, it can encourage people to get, you know. You know, to get people to encourage people to get out in nature. I mean, they call it forest bathing.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: Yes, I've heard that.
[00:33:14] Speaker C: Okay. And. And so it can reduce your blood pressure, it can lower stress, it can increase your, you know, hormone function, and it can quiet down the prefrontal cortex, which is all. Which is all good stuff, right?
[00:33:29] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:33:29] Speaker C: And that's just getting outside.
Even. Even. They've done studies where.
In hospitals where they have a combination of.
Of.
Of like two rooms, for example, I'm just. I don't know, somewhere in here they have. They have two rooms, and they have the different case studies, and some of them are looking at a block wall.
Okay. And some of them are looking at. At greenery.
Those. Those who looked at the greenery, they re. They were released from the hospital a day earlier than those who are looking at the wall.
Their pain medication was reduced in half, and they had less complaints to the nurses compared to those looking at the green wall. Right, right. Just the block wall. Yep, yep, yep. Just looking outside. Just a view.
So even if you don't have a view in your counseling office or your. Do your dorm room, you know, greenery. Greenery.
Images of leaves and trees and things like that just like you have. Right behind you.
So that type of thing just brings us back to nature.
[00:34:48] Speaker B: What about the glasses? I've read where you can buy the colored glasses. What do you think about that?
[00:34:55] Speaker C: I, you know, I've never experimented with those, but I've heard, I've heard that they work.
[00:35:00] Speaker B: Work. Me too.
[00:35:01] Speaker C: Yeah, I know it'd be something to play with. I just, I just haven't done it.
[00:35:05] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's the thing is how do you, how do you incorporate, you know, do you do the red light therapy here? We have saunas here where you can go and do the different colored therapies like we mentioned before, red light therapy or paint your walls. You can do it that way so, you know, different avenues to, to actually benefit from the different colors that help.
[00:35:31] Speaker C: Right, right, exactly. Oh, we had. Oh, we forgot. We forgot about that. That mood question. What was it?
[00:35:39] Speaker B: The email question, Basically. What are some simple ways college students can start using chromotherapy to positively impact their mood?
[00:35:48] Speaker C: Their mood. It depends on if. If their mood is blue. Blue. If they're, if they're, if they, if they need to be energized and they'll want to put some, you know, warmer colors, yellows, blues and oranges. Pepper those in there, you know, but if they're super agitated, then we need to go the opposite way with the cooler, cooler hues.
[00:36:08] Speaker B: Is there a. Is there a resource people could look this up online or an app even for color therapy, chromotherapy?
[00:36:16] Speaker C: And I'm kind of my own little weird unicorn right now. Yeah, now I do. I did promise, promise people that I would work on and do get back on social media when it comes to, you know, that type of thing. So I am working on the Instagram, so I do have an Instagram account.
[00:36:34] Speaker B: What about, like, what. What is it called? Is it Color Turners?
[00:36:37] Speaker C: Color therapy expert?
[00:36:39] Speaker B: Color therapy expert. Okay. And we'll give that out. Help me remember to give that out before we close today. Do different cultures view or use color therapy differently?
[00:36:53] Speaker C: Do you know that they don't use it differently? You know, everyone.
Well, everyone who does color therapy would use their own modality. I'm like, I'm coming from an interior design background, so I'm looking at the person and their environment.
Some people might just look at specifically the. The person, and that's fine too. It's just my just coming in with a different bag of tricks.
So.
But when it comes to culturally, it's not, it's not like a cultural color that I want to say this. It's not a cultural color that we can identify with because our body is feeling it. It's not, it's not our you know, it's. It's not.
[00:37:37] Speaker B: It really is kind of hard to describe it really.
[00:37:40] Speaker C: It really is. It is.
[00:37:41] Speaker B: It's more of a feeling. It's more of energy work.
[00:37:44] Speaker C: It is talking about energy work now. But when it comes to certain, like, cultural colors, you know, it comes to. Okay, I'll. Let's just use the color orange, for example.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:37:54] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: Favorite color.
[00:37:58] Speaker C: Your least. But that, but that's also.
That's also because we're in the US if we were in India or we were throughout Asia, that's a part of their flag.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: Yes, it's.
[00:38:09] Speaker C: It's part of. It's part of. It's part of their culture.
It's part. It's the Hinduism. It's part of the Buddhism because you see flowers adorning the temples. Okay, come over here. That exact same orange.
No, you're right.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: For those who know me and are listening, it's our in state rivals color. So there you go.
[00:38:28] Speaker C: Well, there you go.
[00:38:29] Speaker B: There you go, There you go.
So.
[00:38:32] Speaker C: No, no, it's all good. So. Yes. So orange. So orange on this side of the planet, you know, we have to. We have to muddy it down or shift it up a bit.
[00:38:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:42] Speaker C: Before people to, you know, so they can. They can accept it into their space.
[00:38:46] Speaker B: Makes sense. Sense.
[00:38:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:38:47] Speaker B: Fascinating. Makes sense. Are there certain colors that continue to come up most often in your work?
[00:38:55] Speaker C: The green is the one that they say they tend to need because right now people are stressed and it's one of those. It's one of those easy colors to kind of equalize people, just kind of balance. Balance them out.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: I remember, I mean, my green's always been my favorite color. And it seems like I'm hearing more people that like that color and they'll say that's their favorite color color. Growing up, I never heard anybody say their favorite color was green. I just didn't. I can remember that, you know, more pinks, purple, blue, you know.
[00:39:28] Speaker C: Right.
[00:39:29] Speaker B: Is it true? Is there a difference in.
Is there a gender difference in specific colors working better? Like the, the stereotypical blue and pink for guys and girls.
You know, a lot of guys, you will ask them and they do say their favorite color is blue.
Is that true?
[00:39:50] Speaker C: Most people will tell you their favorite color is blue.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: Really?
Isn't that interesting, Right?
[00:39:55] Speaker C: Yep. It's also, also, people will.
[00:39:58] Speaker B: The.
[00:39:59] Speaker C: The. Their favorite vacation places are near water.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: Oh, that makes sense, doesn't it?
[00:40:05] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: What about.
How can someone begin to use color therapy in their everyday life?
[00:40:14] Speaker C: Start working with it. Start playing with it. I mean, and. And for the skeptics out there, you know. Okay. Oh, yeah, I'm sure there are.
[00:40:22] Speaker B: I mean, there are.
[00:40:23] Speaker C: I know.
[00:40:24] Speaker B: That's all right.
[00:40:24] Speaker C: That's all right. Okay. How many. How many times have you heard registered dietitians say, eat, Eat the rainbow diet? Yes. Okay.
[00:40:33] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:40:33] Speaker C: Because you're taking in the frequencies, the color frequencies of the food and the produce.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: Never thought about. About it.
[00:40:41] Speaker C: Yeah, Yeah, I know. It's just. It's.
[00:40:43] Speaker B: It's right about it.
[00:40:44] Speaker C: Yeah. Now, Froot Loops don't count, though.
[00:40:46] Speaker B: Okay.
I get some frequencies when I eat fruit or Lucky Charms.
We've already touched on this. Definitely, a little bit. People using color therapy through clothing, home decor, and lighting. Lighting. If you see this light behind me, it's not plugged in today, but normally I have the remote and I change it ironically. I never thought about this till right now. I change this based on either the holiday, like I would have pink or red for Valentine's Day coming up, or my mood.
So, you know, it. It sends a message to my co workers sometimes. If it's on red, do not come into my office.
[00:41:34] Speaker C: This. Well, let me ask you. So do you. Do you see. Do you see clients in there?
[00:41:40] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:41:41] Speaker C: Okay, so here. Here'd be a good one for you.
[00:41:44] Speaker B: Oh, boy.
[00:41:45] Speaker C: Let me write this down. Okay, so if they are super stressed out, flip it into the greens or the blues.
[00:41:54] Speaker B: That's fascinating. Okay.
What should I expect? Like, this was another question I had for you. How do you measure these? This.
How do you measure the. You know, if it's working or, like, what should I expect? Do you think? Should I bring it up to the students or just use it as an experiment?
[00:42:13] Speaker C: I do it as an experiment.
[00:42:15] Speaker B: Uhhuh.
[00:42:16] Speaker C: Uhhuh. But. But now. But now we've, like, let everybody know the cat's out right now.
[00:42:22] Speaker B: Everybody will come in here and be like, turn it on blue, turn it on green.
[00:42:28] Speaker C: That's.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: That's interesting, though. But how do you measure it? How do you measure it?
[00:42:33] Speaker C: You're just going to have to go by the feel. You're going to have to go how they feel if they want their responses right.
I mean, that's how we do with a lot of this.
Yeah.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: I just wasn't sure if, like, in the research, if they're able to. Well, you gave a little bit when you mentioned just a minute ago about someone in the hospital, you know, like, lowering their pain medication or leaving. Leaving the hospital a day earlier. That's a way to measure whether or not. It's wor. Working or not.
Do people natur. Naturally gravitate toward the colors that they need the most? Like if they are needing to be calmer, do they gradual, you know, gravitate toward the blues or the greens? Have you seen that? That.
[00:43:25] Speaker C: Yes, they do.
[00:43:27] Speaker B: Without even knowing it.
[00:43:28] Speaker C: They naturally do because it's, it's, it's done subconsciously and because of the energy.
[00:43:35] Speaker B: Like you mentioned, don't even know what's happening.
[00:43:38] Speaker C: Their body, I mean the human body is amazing. It works on trying to balance itself out.
[00:43:44] Speaker B: What is.
How, how long has this been around? How near you is chromotherapy?
[00:43:54] Speaker C: Hippocr. Hippocrates, the father of western medicine. It's been using it. Yeah, I used it back in. Gosh. Back in ancient, ancient times.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: It just wasn't labeled like we're labeling it now.
[00:44:09] Speaker C: No, no. In fact. Oh, this, this is something you like. So last weekend I went to a, an acupuncture workshop. I'm not an acupuncturist, but I convinced them to let me come.
So acupuncturists were using these little tiny chips, I'm not kidding you. They were the size of a pencil head. Okay.
That corresponded to different color frequencies. And they put them on the acupuncture points and it was.
[00:44:43] Speaker B: That's amazing.
[00:44:45] Speaker C: Amazing.
[00:44:45] Speaker B: Really good idea.
[00:44:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, oh. And, and, and, and so around, around the table they had all these, and these, these were like little wands, like about the size of this pencil.
And they all had inside, you couldn't see it welded inside was that color.
And that color frequency corresponded to the different problems that were going on with that body.
And so then they put the, the little tiny chip on a piece of tape that was no bigger than like a quarter of an inch by a quarter of an inch with tweezers plopping those on there on the body to balance the body out to balance.
[00:45:26] Speaker B: It's just amazing in, in your experience what color helps to decrease depression and would with that example you just gave with the acupuncture, do they use those colors? I wonder. I'm just curious, is there research on it working to decrease. Because I'm very interested in alternative treatments to treat, you know, treatment resistant people who are depressed that medication may not work for.
[00:45:59] Speaker C: Right.
Yeah, that's, that's where I would do, I would, I would suggest doing the grounding. I mean, I personally sleep on a grounding mat.
You know, it grounds my body so it keeps me stable.
[00:46:14] Speaker B: Huh.
[00:46:15] Speaker C: And there are a lot of Good ones out there.
A lot of people will use the, the, the light spectrums where they use. They'll use the.
Gosh.
Like, like the, they'll use large panels for the seasonal effect disorders.
[00:46:31] Speaker B: Okay. Yes. You know, I have several students going through that. They have gone through that. That recently.
[00:46:38] Speaker C: Right.
[00:46:38] Speaker B: They're starting to come out of it because the days are getting longer here.
[00:46:43] Speaker C: Right.
[00:46:44] Speaker B: But. Yeah, but usually those are just like daylight.
[00:46:49] Speaker C: Right?
No, they. As long as they can sit in them, you know, as long as they can be in front of them.
[00:46:56] Speaker B: Uhhuh.
I wonder with the acupuncture, if they're. Like I said, if there's any.
[00:47:03] Speaker C: Research.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: Results about depression and the color. The color tips that you were just talking about. That would be amazing.
[00:47:10] Speaker C: That. That was the workshop it was all about. It was all about health and wellness and was all from the neck up. It was all head stuff. Yeah. With depression and anxiety and, you know, it's like that's. That seems to be the big. The big topic for everybody these days.
[00:47:28] Speaker B: Everybody's looking for a way.
[00:47:29] Speaker C: And headaches and all of that.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:47:33] Speaker C: I would like. I would like to know what those colors look like inside those tubes. That's. That's. She invited me back so I can come back again. So I definitely want.
[00:47:42] Speaker B: I would too, if it. And what colors they are.
[00:47:45] Speaker C: Right, right.
Because it will give me. It would give me a clue what not to use.
Yeah.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: I mean.
[00:47:56] Speaker C: Yeah. Most importantly. Yeah. What not to use is.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: I had written this down when we first started talking about your position as an interior designer.
Is chromotherapy related to feng shui at all or anything like that?
[00:48:16] Speaker C: It's energy.
It's energy frequency. Yeah, it's an energy frequency.
[00:48:21] Speaker B: It sort of is.
[00:48:23] Speaker C: It's so. It's. It's energy. It's all energy. It's the energy frequency. Because color therapy, you know, each color vibrates to a different frequency, so it's utilizing that frequency to help balance the environment where the people are living or the person itself.
[00:48:43] Speaker B: Have you ever. This is personal, but have you ever felt.
[00:48:47] Speaker C: This is.
[00:48:48] Speaker B: I don't know how this is going to come out. I'm just gonna say it. Have you ever felt physically ill when you've gone into a room where the color is not right?
[00:48:59] Speaker C: I am sensitive to an environment.
It's just. I. I just. I am.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: I think a lot of people are. And they do not know. They do not know that because it is not being talked about.
I don't know when it would be talked about unless Doing a show like this, like you, you, you just don't really in, in counseling in our profession. And, and Catherine, you might can speak for the, for the social workers.
I mean this would be a wonderful topic to talk about in the programs, you know, in the teaching programs, but I don't think it is being taught anywhere here, you know.
[00:49:40] Speaker C: Well, and, and my, you have, you have those gray walls in those dorms.
What a perfect opportunity to get a survey from those students to go, okay, we need to change this color palette here. Right.
[00:49:55] Speaker B: Well, that would send people into orbit, I'm sure.
But you never know how much.
[00:50:06] Speaker C: You.
[00:50:06] Speaker B: Know, I don't how much change it would cause that might be so positive and beneficial on. Down the road. I mean, 10 and 20 years down the road if we still have these same doors.
[00:50:17] Speaker C: Forms.
[00:50:19] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's an interesting topic to speak to administrators about.
[00:50:24] Speaker C: Well, my guess is, okay, you have, you have that gray in there now, but they probably have to do touch up paint every six months to a year.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: Oh yes.
[00:50:33] Speaker C: So they're repainted it anyway.
[00:50:35] Speaker B: Even one wall, even if you do all four walls. One wall.
Do you. Is there a placebo effect?
If people are getting real relief. Have you ever heard of that? Like, you know what?
[00:50:51] Speaker C: It doesn't matter as long as they're getting real relief.
[00:50:53] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I say. With medication too.
[00:50:55] Speaker C: Like, exactly. You know, whatever, whatever.
[00:50:57] Speaker B: It's going to question it.
[00:50:59] Speaker C: Nope. If it works.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: What resources have you got for us besides your whip, besides your web site that you mentioned before and give that out again. Denise.
[00:51:11] Speaker C: Yeah, it's color therapy expert dot com.
[00:51:13] Speaker B: Okay. Any other resources, any other apps, books, documentaries?
[00:51:20] Speaker C: You know what? I will, I have a stack of color therapy books and I will, I will send those to you.
[00:51:27] Speaker B: Yes, do.
[00:51:28] Speaker C: And then. Because I mean some of them are new, some of them are not new.
It's just the same, it's the same principles that keep repeating over and over again.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: Would, what would be the first thing that you would tell people to do to learn more about chromotherapy? You know, safely.
[00:51:46] Speaker C: Safely. Well, they're not, it's just, it's, it's. How do you feel when you, when you, I mean, if, if you, if, if a color, if you don't like a color. If I gave you a paint chip, you wouldn't even touch it if I.
[00:52:01] Speaker B: Hand it to you.
[00:52:02] Speaker C: Yeah, you would not touch it. It. Okay, you're probably right.
[00:52:06] Speaker B: If it was orange, you're, you're probably right.
[00:52:09] Speaker C: Right. So. And There, there are a lot of colors in that orange family.
So, you know, it's, it's how, it's how you feel. I mean, intuitively or subconsciously, you know, you know what works best.
[00:52:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:52:23] Speaker C: And then the color chip is giving you the tool to actually identify it.
[00:52:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
Subconsciously, I think you're right. Definitely. Most people know.
[00:52:35] Speaker C: Yeah. Because, I mean, isn't most of the brain running on the subconscious?
[00:52:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what they say.
[00:52:41] Speaker C: Right?
[00:52:41] Speaker B: The experts.
[00:52:42] Speaker C: The experts. Well, I don't know. You're the experts.
[00:52:45] Speaker B: I'm the expert. Not in this. This. This is just amazing to me. I feel like, I feel like I could definitely use some of the things we talked about in my sessions just by simply asking people a little bit more about their, their surroundings at home. Right. In their apartments off campus.
[00:53:06] Speaker C: Right.
[00:53:06] Speaker B: You know, because most people really haven't thought about this, I'm convinced.
[00:53:11] Speaker C: Really? You don't think so?
[00:53:12] Speaker B: No, I don't think most students have really thought about it. Until you, until I were to bring it up. If I were to say, just like you're, you're saying, you know, like, what is your favorite color? Is that color prevalent in your apartment? Do you think it matters?
Do a little test when you get home, that kind of thing, and see how you feel in this environment. Karma.
That's pretty cool.
[00:53:33] Speaker C: Right? And, and different, different age groups. Okay. Different age groups will like certain colors too.
[00:53:40] Speaker B: Really?
[00:53:40] Speaker C: Yeah. So typically when it comes to girls in, in elementary school.
[00:53:47] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:53:48] Speaker C: The pinks and the purples and all this. Okay. So I have a, I have a friend who was volunteering at this, at this point group, this after school program. And these young girls were, I think they were fifth grade because again, the kids go to a middle school in the sixth grade here.
So they were. So my friend said, okay, well, just, just bring them in, come in. And, and these, these girls would be kind of identified as at risk.
You know, let's just say they didn't have the best parents. Okay. And this after school block of time, time gave them a little safety net.
So my friend already kind of gave me the heads up. Okay. They might tell you stuff and just don't, don't flinch. And so I, I did, I did my whole color therapy thing and played with them with paint chips and we brought out, you know, you know, fan decks and, and I, and I asked, okay, what's your favorite color?
Most of them had blacks or grays. It's like, that is, that is, I mean, from your perspective, that is tailored Selling. Yeah, that's a red flag. Okay.
And so from my perspective, it was a red flag, too. And so I kept saying, well, what about if you incorporate some of these colors? Just try something different, you know? And my friend would tell me, she said, oh, yeah, that's so. And so the little. The little one who only liked the gray and the black, well, now she's using, you know, socks in that color, a different color. And so just a little tweak here and there.
But it's. Those are like those shadow colors where it keeps people in because they don't want to be seen.
[00:55:24] Speaker B: That might be some of it, too. So maybe some social anxiety, if you think about it.
[00:55:29] Speaker C: Right, right, right.
[00:55:31] Speaker B: Hey, thank you so much for being on the show. It goes by so fast. I say that, oh, my gosh, are we over? Oh, my gosh, you all day, girl. We are done. And that's what people tell me a lot. I just. When it's a good topic. Topic, you just. I didn't get to half of my questions that I had, so I'm sorry about that. But I feel like we covered enough to wet people's feet a little bit so that if you're interested in chromotherapy, you can go to Denise's website or you can just research it on your own because it is very. It sounds extremely useful. And I don't know if people are realizing how useful that color therapy is.
[00:56:08] Speaker C: Well, thank you for having me and thank you for spreading the awareness of color, because it's our just an average thing that's around us, and we just overlook everything.
[00:56:20] Speaker B: Hey, don't forget, our shows are recorded and podcasted on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, AudioBoom, and Voices UA Edu. Just type in Brain Matters and you'll find some of our past shows. And there's also a link to Voices UA Edu on our Counseling Center's website, which is Counseling UA Edu. I'd like to thank a few people who've made our show possible. Our executive director here at the counseling center, Dr. Greg Vanderwaal, my producer and my colleague Katherine Howell, my colleagues at the Counseling center, and Gareth Garner, who edits our shows every week, the WVUA staff, and of course, my guest tonight, Denise Turner. Don't forget, we're on again next week, so join us when our topics is going to be career development and mental health, which I think it's a huge factor in choosing a major, and it can really affect your mental health if you don't choose what you're interested in, etc. Etc. So join us next week for that show. Again, thanks for listening. Have a good night.
[00:57:34] Speaker A: This show was not intended as a substitute for professional counseling. Further, the views, opinions and conclusions expressed by the show hosts or their guests are their own and not necessarily those of the University of Alabama, its officers or trustees. Any views, opinions or conclusions shared on the show do not create a relationship between the host or any guest and any listener, and such a relationship should never be inferred. If you feel you are in need of professional mental health and are a UA student, Please contact the UA Counseling center at 348-3863. If you are not a UA student, please contact your respective county's crisis service hotline or their local mental health agency or insurance company. If it is an emergency situation, please call 911 or go to your nearest emergency room.
